I LOVE MINFRAL attempting to induce seizures/harm to people irl.

[Tene]

Your In-Game Name:

You

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:0:149067056

Who are you reporting?:

I LOVE MINFRAL | STEAM_0:0:47594423 | discord id unknown

Why are you reporting this player?:

hello context to this is Kashpaint (previously banned for putting an epileptic dupe up and telling someone to die) put his flashing lights / epileptic seizure inducing dupe up AGAIN. This sparked me (good friend of epileptics) to tell him I would be reporting him if it continued, along with other users in chat complaining about how their eyes/head hurt from flashing lights. One of these users is Maxwell who has epilepsy.

This then sparked a conversation in OOC for around 10 minutes where people were saying things like ''if you have epilepsy it is your fault if you look at the flashing lights at fountain'' etc, and the opposing argument (normal people) were saying that there is no point in putting flashing lights down at all, especially if you know it harms players IRL.

user I LOVE MINFRAL is active in chat during this (afair he is not engaging in this conversation but it is hard to miss), and knows that there are users on the server who will suffer from flashing lights as an entire issue arose from kashpaint doing it moments prior.

I LOVE MINFRAL asks me why i am bitching about said epileptic dupe, and then says for me to ''come look at his new art at fountain'' (one of the main arguments was that flashing lights at fountain is retarded and u cant blame an epileptic for seeing those lights).
The art in question is flashing lights with the intent to induce harm. He even states ''i think this might be worse than kash's dupe'', which proves he intended to do it in order to make a worse headache / seizure inducing effect than kashpaint's dupe which as I have already said was known to be an issue already due to the 10 minute conversation/argument prior.

The user was verbal warned, despite it clearly being malicious intent to harm people IRL, and on top of that the user in question has
52 Bans and 26 warns
Why is this user receiving a verbal for clearly trying to harm people IRL when his punishment history shows he is no good for the server.

After receiving the verbal he even goes on to state that the reason he made the dupe was ''because you'd cry so fucking hard lmao''
He also stated that he wasnt trying to hurt anyone (kappachungus deluxe GOTY edition) despite the entire convo being about how flashing lights harm people, but that also if you are susceptible to flashing lights it is YOUR responsibility to take the precaution -- precaution being DO NOT GO TO FOUNTAIN!

Do you have evidence related to this incident?:

Yes

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Video is some of the context before + the actual incident -- i can provide full chatlogs for full context to show that it was due to kashpaint's flashing lights dupe.




I am not sure why this user is only given a verbal (i dont even think it was a note) and not a giant ban for trying to induce seizures/harm onto other player's real life person.






also sidenote not sure why kashpaint was pasting his epileptic seizure inducing dupe that he just got off of a ban from being toxic about, when he knows it induces epilepsy, let alone why he is encouraging the behaviour of Minfral reguarding the epileptic dupe as a nice installation!

[Guest]

Hey by the way I was fuckin around and when I said “i… i dont wanna” I removed it immediately before getting tp’d to my own sit which I reported someone for, I was not getting scolded by a mod. Just a note so that this report doesn’t finish by going against me.

[goodnight]

Commenting because I was in chat arguing with these guys and trying to explain just how harmful their behavior is, and my perspective on the situation was requested likely due to my strong opinions for shit like this. And hoh boy....

 

This is probably one of the most disgusting displays of apathy and lack of remorse for the health of other players that I've ever fucking seen. Not only is this player just generally toxic (using slurs and being argumentative in ooc for no reason other than to supposedly "troll") but to be told by several people that their dupe is harmful, and then back it up with "Oh well they shouldn't play the game if they're epileptic" is fucking ridiculous. Anyone should be allowed to enjoy TitsRP without having dupes built purely for the sake of inducing either seizures or making players uncomfortable by blindingly bright/ flashing lights. I may not be epileptic myself, but I AM autistic, and I can get some serious headaches, nausea and other physical symptoms from the same kind of build because it overstimulates me.  If it does that for me, I can't fucking imagine what people who are epileptic have to go through. 

 

Point blank, this is completely unacceptable behavior. You can have cool colorful builds, but one purely made to attempt harm on other players is just... disgusting.

 

Also may I add that if something DID happen to a player because someone knowingly put down an "epileptic build", they could quite literally be charged with attempted murder/ manslaughter. This may be a video game, but there are still very real-world consequences to this type of shit. I recommend this player tread really fucking carefully from here on out.

[Guest]

To be simplistic on what rules even remotely touch this post.




As well as the dont be a minge or a dick from page 1

As far as the dupe once a complaint is made the staff should remove it or force the user to remove it. Considering the severity i think a verbal is plenty as far as this is concerned, HOWEVER, as far as targeting epileptic players go the issue in most cases is going to be proving the intent is to fuck with epileptics. I feel referencing Kashpaints previous incident regarding this shows he is fully aware of the situation and how it should be treated and decided to do so anyways. however concerning punishment Kashpaints also had to do with the weight of his previous actions i feel this should be a ban but not to the same length.

+1 for week ban for player harassment considering this was done with the possibility of causing bodily harm IRL.  (Ban added to current ban length for different incident from what i was told) The more i think about it the more i have to agree the ban should be longer.

On a separate note i have also seen Maxwell try to use his condition for seemingly petty player targeting as-well and i feel this should be carefully handled subject so its not abused to weaponize this sort of incident. Other day someone had a small door prop flashing, single prop on the entire base and he attempted to get me to remove it, granted position it was visible from the street but not being done against him as this was part of a dupe ive seen many times. Due to how small this was i told him to do his best to ignore it and not look at it since the prop was relatively small and inside of a base.

Edited June 25 by Insurance Agent

[Joey Skylynx]

With regards to the dupe, I'll be honest in saying that my first assumption was that people were blowing it out of proportion or it was just something silly like a small room with the offending dupe and it'd be something you would need to look for. My assumption of course turned out to be wrong, and what  I was greeted with was effectively an entire road worth of null-white material w/ random colors bleeping in and out. Considering this was right outside spawn, I had teleported to Minfral and told them to remove it. It was also at this time that I had been made aware of the comments in OOC, which when combined with the dupe, really feels like this was a purposeful and very dangerous act that could either be a minor annoyance or cause life threatening injury to those suffering from conditions that make seizures prevalent from sudden changes of light.

 

As for the reasoning for my warn/note, considering the speed of which the dupe was removed, I was more willing to let it be a verbal simply as a case of, "Don't do this again" but as mentioned previously, the added notes of Kalash and the comments made in OOC are making me question less if a ban should have been issued, but what the length of the punishment will be.

[Tene]

9 hours ago, Insurance Agent said:

+1 for week ban for player harassment considering this was done with the possibility of causing bodily harm IRL.  (Ban added to current ban length for different incident from what i was told)

hello thank you for the +1 but im not sure how a 1 week ban for this type of behaviour is valid when the user clearly put up the dupe solely to try and induce bodily harm and ''make you guys mad'' -> the guys who were complaining that flashing lights can cause epileptic seizures and death / damage irl (as can be seen by the ooc conversation).

My issue with your decision on a 1 week increase, is that a stated IRL threat is a 6 month ban, but an action that is an actual IRL threat to someones life and not just ''i will come to your house and beat you'' is a 1 week ban. Surely there has to be a seperate punishment than player harassment / surely its not just a 1 week extension. This actually causes harm to people in real life whether it be inducing headaches, seizures, or even just hurting someones eyes, so I'm not sure why its being treated like it was harassment and not an IRL threat (what i would argue it falls under more closely than harassment). It's not an IRL threat in the sense that the user is threatening to find someone irl (very unlikely to ever actually happen), its an IRL threat in the sense that the user's life (one with epilepsy) is actually at risk and thus he is at threat of harm.

Furthermore as already stated, the user's punishment history (over 70 total) shows that this user is not a good person, and the fact he is currently banned for player toxicity shows he does not care about the community or anyone involved, leading even further into the fact that he put up a dupe with the intent to harm people IRL. This user is not good for the community and a 1 week increase for trying to cause bodily harm when his current ban is 2 weeks for saying a single slur (nowhere near as harmful) is a bit ridiculous.

While yes I'm just the reporting player and can't decide his punishment, please try and look at it from the harm done from someone doing this compared to the harm done from someone saying ''i will kill you irl'' (doesnt actually do anything) and justify why the one where an action to commit harm is actually done is only a 1 week ban but the threat is 6 months.

 

9 hours ago, Insurance Agent said:

On a separate note i have also seen Maxwell try to use his condition for seemingly petty player targeting as-well and i feel this should be carefully handled subject so its not abused to weaponize this sort of incident. Other day someone had a small door prop flashing, single prop on the entire base and he attempted to get me to remove it, granted position it was visible from the street but not being done against him as this was part of a dupe ive seen many times. Due to how small this was i told him to do his best to ignore it and not look at it since the prop was relatively small and inside of a base.

Not trying to argue but who are you to say that an epileptic is being petty because his condition is being triggered by someone's unnecessary flashing light? No matter how small it is it should be removed if its clearly causing issues and serves no purpose, I would rather 1 person has to change their flashing door prop to a non-flashing material than risk another person having IRL harm. I understand if it is entirely inside of a base but if its visible from the street then... either way this report isnt about that and this comment from my pov atleast seems to be attempting to justify/minimise the 8 rapidly flashing plates outside of spawn tunnel due to someone who has epilepsy being ''petty''. - sorry if this was not the intent of your comment but that is how i see it! not saying you have any ill-intent or anything but that is how it came across.

Last note: For seperate unrelated scenarios where flashing lights are placed without the intent of harm, an epileptic reporting someone for flashing lights cant really be weaponised, because flashing lights are never necessary in a base design, and ones used for the street are there to be cancer on purpose. Just ask them to remove the flashing lights. The user isn't petty because they have everything that can be disabled to prevent triggers disabled (lights are disabled, screen dimming is enabled etc), maybe Rubik can add an epileptic mode that somehow clientside hides flashing shit, but why the flashing shit NEEDS to exist in the first place and isnt just removed upon request is quite silly.

Edited June 21 by Tene

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Tene said:

is that a stated IRL threat is a 6 month ban, but an action that is an actual IRL threat to someones life and not just ''i will come to your house and beat you'' is a 1 week ban.

The issue we are back to is intent and unless you can prove his goal was attempted murder which should be much worse than 6month. My take on this is he is being a tool and playing into the current cringe set by kaspaint i dont feel it should be overlooked but I would like to at-least give him the opportunity to learn from his mistake the first time this occurs after which he should be fully responsible for his actions and aware of how serious it will be handled. 1 week to me in this scenario is equivalent to a warning to fuck off and not repeat the action as education over punishment is the aim here. after the point has been made a repeat offense i feel should be met with max punishment due to the severity. If he had already been told prior not to do this directly by anyone with authority to tell him not to i would feel otherwise. I also feel we should put some rules in place for handling the flashing props but at the moment it will likely be handled case to case.

That being said i had not viewed his punishment history at the time of my initial response due to other things pulling away my attention at the time, I stand by my original suggestion of adding a week as a warning to not repeat this action. If he had no prior knowledge of the kashpaint situation i would have pushed for it to be left a warn with the same outcome of a repeat offense.

Edited June 22 by Insurance Agent

[Tene]

2 hours ago, Insurance Agent said:

t I would like to at-least give him the opportunity to learn from his mistake the first time this occurs after which he should be fully responsible for his actions and aware of how serious it will be handled. 1 week to me in this scenario is equivalent to a warning to fuck off and not repeat the action as education over punishment is the aim here. after the point has been made a repeat offense i feel should be met with max punishment due to the severity. If he had already been told prior not to do this directly by anyone with authority to tell him not to i would feel otherwise. I also feel we should put some rules in place for handling the flashing props but at the moment it will likely be handled case to case.

the 53 bans and 26 warns i think are evidence enough that this user does not learn from light punishments.

 

 

2 hours ago, Insurance Agent said:

The issue we are back to is intent and unless you can prove his goal was attempted murder which should be much worse than 6month. 

not sure why it must be attempted murder but its quite clear hes trying to do physical harm to players as the entire conversation was revolving around seizures/risk of death from flashing lights. im not sure what other evidence u would want, i can provide the entire conversation if u want. 

1 week is way too light when u consider other punishment lengths along with his punishment history 
3 random kills - 1 week
saying a slur - 2 weeks (for this guy)
sit exploit - 1 month
irl threat (im going to maul you irl) - 6 months
flashing lights intended to cause harm to players with/without epilepsy - 1 week

again i cant choose the punishment but thats quite ridiculous no? he said the trans slur and got 2 weeks and ur saying give him only 1 week for dis

[Opila Bird]

I'm not sure the point of saying "we need to let this guy learn" he has 36 bans, not counting duplicates, totaling 9 entire months spent banned when added up in under 2 years, with only 16 days actually in game playing. This is along with 26 warns. He clearly has no regard for learning from his mistakes, along with this being a pretty obvious big issue. Yes, if someone has epilepsy they should go out of their way to avoid these issues (disabling lights is a good step,) but actively disregarding it, and following up that you want it to cause harm to the player is clearly psychotic behavior. 

Given history of both minor and major offenses I'm +1 for a 6 month ban minimum, but feel a community removal isn't out of hand. This is clearly an unsavory individual who only comes on to cause issues.

As for kashpaint, you encouraged this player to put up this dupe after being warned for the same in the past. Encouraging someone to a break a rule which they are punished for is liable to  get you the same punishment. I'm not sure why you think just because you deleted it before you were brought changes the fact that you pasted it and got another player to do it as well. Obviously you didn't tell him to say the other stuff he said, but you clearly haven't learned from the last time you were punished.

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, bugman said:

As for kashpaint, you encouraged this player to put up this dupe after being warned for the same in the past. Encouraging someone to a break a rule which they are punished for is liable to  get you the same punishment. I'm not sure why you think just because you deleted it before you were brought changes the fact that you pasted it and got another player to do it as well. Obviously you didn't tell him to say the other stuff he said, but you clearly haven't learned from the last time you were punished.

Also I was joking since those trees were there for like 30 seconds before being immediately removed when someone asked me to remove it and I said “i… i dont wanna” as I removed it. Tene saw me getting tp’d to a report I made due to an RDMer and thought I was getting scolded due to the dupe but I already removed the dupe. I didn’t say anything about the flashing lights before someone brought it up. I don’t even wanna be involved in this as I didn’t do shit and was just talking. No epileptic person was involved in the conversation and the dupe was there for a few seconds. I don’t want any problems