Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. Posted May 25, 2024 Share Posted May 25, 2024 In-Game Name Wally Peanuts Your Steam ID STEAM_0:0:60423355 Why were you banned or warned? FailRP Breaking Raid Timer Why should you be unwarned/unbanned? I, as well as another Senior Mod and Admin (to remain anon unless they want to announce themselves) believe this warn is unjust. Essentially, I as Pickolas Cage spawned 2 trains on 2 members that shared a base within the span of 30 seconds. I believe it was Chud and Terrry. Terrry then pulls me into a sit and didnt educate me as to why I was wrong, and just warned me. An Admin has seen the clip of the sit Terrry and I had and I quote "that sit was handled very poorly". Essentially the rule states: If Picolas Cage summons a train on a player outside of a base, it is considered a natural event (and therefore is not Mass RDM when 80 players crowd around your train for the memes). If a train is summoned inside of a base, that is considered as a raid. Since Picolas Cage is a job defined not to be permitted to raid, this means you are not allowed to continue to perform other raiding actions such as chucking C4 into their base or lockpicking, you cannot raid the base again before the standard time limit, and you cannot switch jobs in order to raid them after summoning the train. To make it simple - no summoning a train for raiding purposes. Picolas Cage is NOT allowed to teleport the King for assassination, this is considered assisting a raid and therefore FailRP to do so. My logic on this has multiple points... 1: If raiding with c4, can you not place multiple c4, or do multiple raid actions? I see this as the same as the train. As per the rules (or how I read them) I could drop 750 cereal and spawn 10 trains on the same base. It says nothing about starting/ending the raid timer (as Terrry states in the sit... link below) 2: Both trains DID NOT kill anyone, nor destroy any entities. I assumed they did not spawn in the base, especially since it gave me the error for both trains that "this was not validly placed, therefore you cannot spectate". I assumed one or both guys were in spawn, sitland, or something, therefore (according to the rules) being a natural event, not a raid. But Terrry said since it was on 2 people who were basing together it was 2 seperate raid events (Senior Mod and Admin disagree with Terrry here, with clips to back it up if requested, but I am sure they will chime in). I assumed it was a natural event and argued that in sitland with Terrry due to the perspective I had on my end. 3: Terrry falsely quoted the rules, and staff are not on the same page about any of this after confirming with higher staff members. The sit was handled poorly. He handled his own sit (which is allowed) but he gave me wrong info, didnt educate me, and basically said "youre wrong, Im right, youre warned." This situation is not black and white like RDA/RDM, but apparently when Terrry bring you to a sit for punishment, youre already fucked. Me doing the trains: https://youtu.be/wdHYa0BJqrk Sit with Terrry: https://youtu.be/yP_IjmKvNJo Who warned/banned you? Terrry How long were you warned or banned for? No Ban. Just warn. No idea the length. Link to comment https://forums.titsrp.com/topic/21330-wally-peanuts-failrp-breaking-raid-timer-warn-appeal/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. Posted May 25, 2024 Author Share Posted May 25, 2024 Also asking for a rule change if staff agrees I was in the wrong. According to the rules, I was not wrong/in a gray area. Link to comment https://forums.titsrp.com/topic/21330-wally-peanuts-failrp-breaking-raid-timer-warn-appeal/#findComment-146106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2024 Share Posted May 25, 2024 34 minutes ago, Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. said: If a train is summoned inside of a base, that is considered as a raid. 34 minutes ago, Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. said: Both trains DID NOT kill anyone, nor destroy any entities. even if a raid fails the timer is still 20 mins Link to comment https://forums.titsrp.com/topic/21330-wally-peanuts-failrp-breaking-raid-timer-warn-appeal/#findComment-146107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opila Bird Posted May 25, 2024 Share Posted May 25, 2024 Whether or not you believe both trains made it into the base you trained the same base twice knowing the players were in said base. Link to comment https://forums.titsrp.com/topic/21330-wally-peanuts-failrp-breaking-raid-timer-warn-appeal/#findComment-146108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chessmond Posted May 25, 2024 Share Posted May 25, 2024 (edited) So you just solved your own appeal. 39 minutes ago, Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. said: Since Picolas Cage is a job defined not to be permitted to raid, this means you are not allowed to continue to perform other raiding actions such as chucking C4 into their base or lockpicking, you cannot raid the base again before the standard time limit, You also have a warn for a similar rule break for this type of situation. Meaning you clearly are somewhat aware of these rules. Edited May 25, 2024 by Terrry 1 Link to comment https://forums.titsrp.com/topic/21330-wally-peanuts-failrp-breaking-raid-timer-warn-appeal/#findComment-146109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. Posted May 25, 2024 Author Share Posted May 25, 2024 (edited) Everything anyone is saying is false: even if a raid fails the timer is still 20 mins: how do I know they were in the base at the time? if they werent... its a natural event, not a raid. Whether or not you believe both trains made it into the base you trained the same base twice knowing the players were in said base.: I did not know both players were in the base. I assumed they were. I was on a totally different side of the map. Just because they were both on the door doesnt make it a raid. Rule specifically says its a natural event outside of a base. I couldnt spectate, and had no idea if they were in the base or not. Either way, you could see it as 1 continous "raid" if indeed they were in the base. You also have a warn for a similar rule break for this type of situation. Meaning you clearly are somewhat aware of these rules.: False. That was me training, then switching classes to raid them when they were dead. Drugchicken will confirm. totally different, and admin confirmed that. Edited May 25, 2024 by Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. Link to comment https://forums.titsrp.com/topic/21330-wally-peanuts-failrp-breaking-raid-timer-warn-appeal/#findComment-146110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opila Bird Posted May 25, 2024 Share Posted May 25, 2024 1 minute ago, Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. said: I did not know both players were in the base. I assumed they were. You are able to click "spectate train" when you use one showing you it. Also if you assume they are in the base it was still your intention to break the rule. 3 minutes ago, Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. said: False. That was me training, then switching classes to raid them when they were dead. totally different, and admin confirmed that. The rule says that you both can't raid, and can't train again. It seems you got warned then didn't read the rule or listen to the staff explain it to you. Link to comment https://forums.titsrp.com/topic/21330-wally-peanuts-failrp-breaking-raid-timer-warn-appeal/#findComment-146111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. Posted May 25, 2024 Author Share Posted May 25, 2024 2 minutes ago, bugman said: You are able to click "spectate train" when you use one showing you it. Also if you assume they are in the base it was still your intention to break the rule. The rule says that you both can't raid, and can't train again. It seems you got warned then didn't read the rule or listen to the staff explain it to you. Watch the 1st video numbnuts. I couldnt spectate. it said train was in invalid location. Or read the original post I posted. I know reading is hard. The rule does in fact not state I cant train again. multiple staff members agree with me that I could have dropped 2-infinty trains if I wanted to. Link to comment https://forums.titsrp.com/topic/21330-wally-peanuts-failrp-breaking-raid-timer-warn-appeal/#findComment-146113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. Posted May 25, 2024 Author Share Posted May 25, 2024 Just now, Raccoons said: Is this a character you play online or are you really this ignorant? Please copy and paste the rule and explain how I am ignorant. Link to comment https://forums.titsrp.com/topic/21330-wally-peanuts-failrp-breaking-raid-timer-warn-appeal/#findComment-146115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opila Bird Posted May 25, 2024 Share Posted May 25, 2024 Just now, Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. said: Watch the 1st video numbnuts Staff would like to help you more if you weren't hostile to them when they explain things to you. Just now, Gennaro Anthony Sirico Jr. said: multiple staff members agree with me that I could have dropped 2-infinty trains if I wanted to. I would like to know what staff these are as they are wrong. It says using a train puts you on raid timer, this means train is equivalent to a raid, so a 2nd one is NLR/ failrp for breaking raid timer. Link to comment https://forums.titsrp.com/topic/21330-wally-peanuts-failrp-breaking-raid-timer-warn-appeal/#findComment-146116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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